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Free Carl Lee!

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Free Carl Lee!

3
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Free Carl Lee!

4
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Free Carl Lee!
Free Carl Lee!

5
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Beautiful day, isn't it?

6
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There he is.

7
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Any word on Bud?

8
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Ethel's still with him.
Thank you for coming.

9
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Well, well, well.

10
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The Pillsbury Dough Boy.

11
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Still practicing exploitative law?

12
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Thought you were dead.

13
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I'm trying. What do we have here?

14
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I'd like to introduce--

15
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Lucien Wilbanks, third white man in
Mississippi to join the NAACP...

16
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...permanently disbarred
by Superior Court...

17
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...for attacking police who busted
a picket line in an oil strike.

18
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It is a pleasure, Ms. Ark.

19
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Everyone, jury selection begins today.

20
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To win this case we need a
sympathetic jury willing to acquit...

21
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...and a jury that can use the
insanity plea as an excuse to do so.

22
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I need a drink.

23
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No drinking.

24
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What do you mean?

25
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It's my building, leased to
you for a reasonable rent...

26
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...and I want a drink.

27
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Ms. Ark, I have all the
respect in the world for you.

28
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I believe in your right to equal pay,
your right to bear a child...

29
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...or to abort one.
You should be treated like a man.

30
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Since you are a law clerk...

31
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...genderless in my eyes...

32
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...l think you should be
the one to go buy the beer.

33
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ERA, "she" woman. That would be
an excellent activity for you.

34
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No drinking. Not today.

35
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Noose selects this panel randomly.

36
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Too many bad candidates and we're sunk.

37
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Luck of the draw.

38
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What you need...

39
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...is young fathers who want
to do what Carl Lee did.

40
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Agreed. We need young
men with families here.

41
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I'd prefer no one over 50.
Less bigotry with youth.

42
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So we stay away from women,
rednecks and old men.

43
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Citizens, thank you.

44
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Counsel, you each have 12
challenges. Let's begin.

45
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The state challenges jurors #6...

46
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...10...

47
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...and 32.

48
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Your Honor, the defense
strikes jurors 1, 4...

49
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...8 and 2.

50
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26.

51
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27, 28.

52
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And 31.

53
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Your Honor, the defense also
strikes jurors 22 and 29.

54
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That's it, then.
You're out of challenges.

55
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Jurors, you will be
sequestered starting tonight.

56
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Opening statements begin tomorrow.

57
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That's a jury of my peers?

58
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God bless America.

59
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My name is Stump Sisson...

60
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...and I'm proud to be a Grand Dragon...

61
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...for the lnvisible Empire...

62
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...of the Ku Klux Klan!

63
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What the hell?

64
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I'm here to say...

65
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...that the law-abiding
whites of this state...

66
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...are sick and tired
of niggers stealing...

67
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...raping, killing, and
getting away with it!

68
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We demand justice!

69
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We demand this nigger...

70
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...be convicted...

71
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...and his black ass
sent to the gas chamber!

72
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Who's a nigger?!

73
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You pointy-headed...

74
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...white-faced, no-good
son-of-a-whore!

75
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Shut up, you wild animal.

76
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I'll drag your ass out of here!

77
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You're the animal!

78
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Open the gate!

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Turn around.

80
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Know what?

81
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Just take off your pants.

82
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Come on, do I look that easy?

83
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Afraid I'll see your underwear?

84
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With Carla gone, the laundry's
piling up. I'm not wearing any.

85
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I haven't worn any in years.

86
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I'm not going to watch, I promise.
Now, strip, please.

87
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Fine.

88
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What I need from you...

89
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Do tell.

90
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Is a way to discredit the
State's shrink, Dr. Rodeheaver.

91
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Unless you discredit the shrink...

92
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Carl Lee does not have a chance.

93
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Sorry.

94
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Sissy.

95
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He's got a good chance.

96
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There. You'll live.

97
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Thanks.

98
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Good butt.

99
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What do you do to blow off steam...

100
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...besides trying to kill each other?

101
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You got a disco...

102
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...strip bars...

103
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...or malls...

104
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...to go to?

105
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Stump's dead.

106
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He's dead.

107
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Come on. Let's go home.

108
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It's all over.

109
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It ain't near over.

110
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I'll be right back.

111
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Here are your mud bugs.

112
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Anything else?

113
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A couple of...

114
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...specials and some fried dill pickles.

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-You got it.
-Thanks, sugar.

116
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That wasn't sexist. Really,
I never order my own food.

117
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I can't do another shot.

118
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Fine, I'll do another shot.

119
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Just a splash.

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To...

121
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Carl Lee.

122
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May a jury find that man
loony as a fruitcake.

123
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Hear, hear.

124
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No more.

125
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So...

126
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...was he crazy when he did it?

127
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No, he wasn't crazy.

128
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He told me he'd do it.

129
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I tried to tell myself
he wasn't serious.

130
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I think I really wanted him to do it.

131
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I came home that night and looked
at Hannah. She looked so tender.

132
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All I could think about was
all the monsters out there...

133
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...and any one of them can
come steal her innocence.

134
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Take her life, if they want.

135
00:09:04,355 --> 00:09:08,451
Yeah, I wanted those boys dead.
You're goddamn right I did.

136
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I guess I helped kill them.

137
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So tomorrow, when we get in court...

138
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...it's not just Carl Lee
I'm trying to get off.

139
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Burn in hell, Brigance!

140
00:10:01,813 --> 00:10:03,212
Good job.

141
00:10:07,585 --> 00:10:11,248
How is it that you'll drive 1-1/2
hours to take me to dinner but...

142
00:10:12,557 --> 00:10:15,651
...you have no problem
walking into my motel room?

143
00:10:16,227 --> 00:10:18,559
With everything that's going on...

144
00:10:18,730 --> 00:10:20,823
...we can't be too careful.

145
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Just want to make sure it's safe.

146
00:10:23,568 --> 00:10:25,399
I'm not scared.

147
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Yes, I am.

148
00:10:26,838 --> 00:10:28,237
Of what?

149
00:10:29,007 --> 00:10:31,066
Of what's going to happen tomorrow.

150
00:10:31,676 --> 00:10:34,907
All the other cases I've worked
on were only paper defendants.

151
00:10:35,079 --> 00:10:37,240
I never knew the towns...

152
00:10:37,415 --> 00:10:40,851
...and I never touched
the lives or anything.

153
00:10:48,092 --> 00:10:50,026
Tomorrow morning...

154
00:10:50,261 --> 00:10:53,196
...Buckley will try to
kill Carl Lee Hailey.

155
00:10:54,532 --> 00:10:56,932
Now it's on us to stop him.

156
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Go over the battle in your mind.

157
00:11:01,873 --> 00:11:04,865
Argument, rebuttal, examination
and cross. All of it.

158
00:11:06,711 --> 00:11:08,201
Remember something:

159
00:11:09,781 --> 00:11:12,045
You are one of the good guys.

160
00:11:13,952 --> 00:11:15,886
And good guy has...

161
00:11:16,054 --> 00:11:19,217
...the spicy on her lip.
But still one of the good guys.

162
00:11:33,404 --> 00:11:34,803
I'm going home.

163
00:11:35,807 --> 00:11:38,901
Lock the door behind you.
I'll see you tomorrow.

164
00:11:53,157 --> 00:11:54,488
It's going to blow!

165
00:12:08,339 --> 00:12:10,102
My dog's in there!

166
00:12:25,857 --> 00:12:26,915
It's too late.

167
00:13:28,586 --> 00:13:29,575
Hey, buddy.

168
00:13:31,356 --> 00:13:32,687
Seen my dog?

169
00:13:33,024 --> 00:13:34,685
Looking for my dog.

170
00:13:34,859 --> 00:13:36,417
Max, come here!

171
00:13:36,761 --> 00:13:38,353
Come on, Max!

172
00:13:42,433 --> 00:13:46,028
I booked you on the 9:15 to Gulf Port.
Economy, of course.

173
00:13:46,604 --> 00:13:48,367
Go see your wife and daughter.

174
00:13:50,541 --> 00:13:52,702
What'd you do that for?

175
00:13:53,277 --> 00:13:55,211
The trial's in less than 3 hours.

176
00:13:55,446 --> 00:13:56,708
Come on.

177
00:13:56,881 --> 00:13:59,111
Noose'd give you a continuance.

178
00:13:59,283 --> 00:14:02,047
The NAACP boys be down
here before lunch...

179
00:14:02,220 --> 00:14:03,209
...drooling.

180
00:14:03,955 --> 00:14:06,617
Max, let's go, boy! Come on!

181
00:14:07,792 --> 00:14:09,282
Listen to me.

182
00:14:10,228 --> 00:14:12,890
Your marriage is troubled,
you're about to have an affair.

183
00:14:13,798 --> 00:14:17,461
Your career's in ruins, if you're lucky.
If not, you're dead.

184
00:14:18,803 --> 00:14:20,293
Don't get me wrong.

185
00:14:21,305 --> 00:14:24,297
What you've put into this case,
you've even inspired me...

186
00:14:24,475 --> 00:14:26,067
...and I'm uninspirable.

187
00:14:26,577 --> 00:14:29,307
Do everyone a favor, though.
Drop the case.

188
00:14:33,818 --> 00:14:35,479
No, I can't.

189
00:14:36,654 --> 00:14:38,918
I won't. I'm not going to quit.

190
00:14:40,158 --> 00:14:42,752
I quit now, all this
is for nothing. No.

191
00:14:46,431 --> 00:14:49,161
Max, come on now. Max,
where are you? Come on!

192
00:14:49,333 --> 00:14:51,665
Max is dead, and you're next.

193
00:14:52,670 --> 00:14:54,103
Walk away.

194
00:15:04,348 --> 00:15:05,940
Max, come here.

195
00:15:11,889 --> 00:15:13,481
Who's got the goods?

196
00:15:16,461 --> 00:15:19,362
Pre-trial strategy at my
office in less than 2 hours...

197
00:15:19,530 --> 00:15:21,866
...and I expect to see your ass there!

198
00:15:23,367 --> 00:15:25,198
Free Carl Lee!

199
00:15:26,037 --> 00:15:28,699
Free Carl Lee!
Free Carl Lee!

200
00:15:41,385 --> 00:15:42,875
Fry Carl Lee!

201
00:15:43,054 --> 00:15:45,386
Fry Carl Lee!
Fry Carl Lee!

202
00:16:11,516 --> 00:16:12,744
Mr. Buckley...

203
00:16:12,917 --> 00:16:14,350
...you may begin.

204
00:16:19,757 --> 00:16:20,587
Good morning.

205
00:16:24,262 --> 00:16:29,029
You are Cora Mae Cobb, the mother
of Billy Ray Cobb, are you not?

206
00:16:29,267 --> 00:16:30,529
Yes, sir.

207
00:16:30,868 --> 00:16:33,268
Where were you when he was murdered?

208
00:16:33,437 --> 00:16:35,928
Outside that door right there.

209
00:16:36,874 --> 00:16:39,274
Me and Freddie was
waiting for his hearing.

210
00:16:40,111 --> 00:16:42,204
He was walking up the stairs...

211
00:16:42,380 --> 00:16:44,211
...in handcuffs.

212
00:16:44,448 --> 00:16:48,043
Can you tell us how old your son
was at the time of his death?

213
00:16:49,387 --> 00:16:50,547
23.

214
00:16:52,290 --> 00:16:54,554
Your son was 23 when he died?

215
00:16:56,127 --> 00:16:58,789
In those 23 years, Mrs. Cobb...

216
00:16:59,297 --> 00:17:01,390
...how many children did he kidnap?

217
00:17:01,566 --> 00:17:02,965
Objection, Your Honor!

218
00:17:03,234 --> 00:17:03,962
Sustained.

219
00:17:04,135 --> 00:17:06,069
You are out of order.

220
00:17:07,238 --> 00:17:08,227
Withdraw the question.

221
00:17:08,339 --> 00:17:12,503
The jury will disregard the last
question from Mr. Brigance.

222
00:17:14,412 --> 00:17:16,744
In your son's 23 years...

223
00:17:16,914 --> 00:17:19,747
...how many other children did he rape?

224
00:17:20,084 --> 00:17:21,642
In my chambers.

225
00:17:22,653 --> 00:17:24,814
Court will recess for lunch.

226
00:17:26,824 --> 00:17:31,761
Why antagonize the judge? He should've
known Noose'd pull him into chambers.

227
00:17:31,929 --> 00:17:32,827
He knew.

228
00:17:32,997 --> 00:17:36,330
But he got to draw first blood,
and that's more important.

229
00:17:39,437 --> 00:17:41,268
Come play on a winning team.

230
00:17:41,439 --> 00:17:43,339
How's that impotence thing?

231
00:17:46,777 --> 00:17:49,610
You're not being paid
for your work, are you?

232
00:17:49,780 --> 00:17:50,838
No, sir.

233
00:17:52,116 --> 00:17:55,176
Well, I guess Jake's
paying you in other ways.

234
00:17:56,687 --> 00:17:58,018
Impotence.

235
00:17:58,189 --> 00:17:59,679
Yes. Girls talk.

236
00:17:59,857 --> 00:18:03,793
If you would, can you please
identify this weapon?

237
00:18:04,795 --> 00:18:06,456
The weapon found at the scene.

238
00:18:07,031 --> 00:18:11,195
You were able to identify the
fingerprints found on this gun?

239
00:18:11,469 --> 00:18:14,632
Yes, the prints on the gun
matched those of Carl Lee Hailey.

240
00:18:14,805 --> 00:18:16,295
You're sure?

241
00:18:16,707 --> 00:18:17,969
Yes.

242
00:18:18,209 --> 00:18:22,373
I'd like to enter this into
evidence as Exhibit S-18.

243
00:18:22,647 --> 00:18:24,877
We have no further use of this witness.

244
00:18:28,886 --> 00:18:30,376
Sheriff Walls...

245
00:18:32,323 --> 00:18:34,314
...did you arrest Cobb and Willard?

246
00:18:34,558 --> 00:18:35,991
Yes, I did.

247
00:18:36,227 --> 00:18:38,320
I arrested them for the rape...

248
00:18:38,596 --> 00:18:42,327
...and attempted murder of
10-year-old Tonya Hailey.

249
00:18:42,500 --> 00:18:44,058
Is it true that Pete Willard...

250
00:18:44,235 --> 00:18:45,668
...signed a confession...

251
00:18:46,170 --> 00:18:50,504
...saying that he and Billy
Ray Cobb did rape Tonya Hailey?

252
00:18:50,675 --> 00:18:53,405
Objection! That's inadmissible,
and Mr. Brigance knows it.

253
00:18:53,577 --> 00:18:56,068
I've spoken to you before.

254
00:18:56,247 --> 00:18:59,080
We are not trying the rape
of Miss Hailey today...

255
00:18:59,250 --> 00:19:03,846
...but the murder of two young men, and
if you continue in this performance...

256
00:19:04,522 --> 00:19:06,251
...l'll hold you in contempt.

257
00:19:06,524 --> 00:19:08,014
Is that understood?

258
00:19:08,859 --> 00:19:10,087
Yes, sir.

259
00:19:11,762 --> 00:19:14,094
I have no further questions.

260
00:19:14,265 --> 00:19:15,197
Yes.

261
00:19:16,867 --> 00:19:18,266
You say something?

262
00:19:20,938 --> 00:19:23,202
Yes, he did sign a confession.

263
00:19:23,374 --> 00:19:24,204
Objection!

264
00:19:24,442 --> 00:19:25,932
Jurors...

265
00:19:26,110 --> 00:19:29,602
...you will disregard the
last remark of Sheriff Walls.

266
00:19:30,014 --> 00:19:33,211
Court is adjourned till
tomorrow morning, 9:00.

267
00:19:54,505 --> 00:19:56,837
I'm taking Bud back to Oxford.

268
00:19:58,342 --> 00:20:00,333
He always missed Oxford.

269
00:20:17,528 --> 00:20:19,519
I don't know what to say.

270
00:20:20,197 --> 00:20:22,358
There's nothing you can say.

271
00:20:23,968 --> 00:20:26,869
I know you didn't want
any of this to happen...

272
00:20:27,371 --> 00:20:29,305
...but it happened all the same.

273
00:20:31,142 --> 00:20:33,804
You wagered all our lives on this.

274
00:20:34,979 --> 00:20:39,712
You just went ahead and did what you
felt you had to do, no matter what.

275
00:20:41,819 --> 00:20:44,310
Some folks think that's brave.

276
00:20:45,823 --> 00:20:47,484
Not me, Jake.

277
00:20:48,826 --> 00:20:50,487
Now, you may win...

278
00:20:51,395 --> 00:20:54,159
...but I think we've all lost here.

279
00:21:00,905 --> 00:21:03,567
Would you help an old lady to her car?

280
00:21:03,741 --> 00:21:06,175
You don't need any help, Ethel...

281
00:21:06,844 --> 00:21:08,812
...but it would be an honor to
escort you to your automobile.

282
00:21:25,930 --> 00:21:27,522
Didn't like that one?

283
00:21:28,199 --> 00:21:32,761
Buckley presents his shrink tomorrow
and I need a way to bring him down.

284
00:21:33,771 --> 00:21:38,105
I keep asking myself, "What would
Jake do? What would my father do?"

285
00:21:38,275 --> 00:21:39,537
"Lucien?"

286
00:21:39,710 --> 00:21:41,610
That's your problem right there.

287
00:21:41,779 --> 00:21:45,772
You must ask yourself,
"What would Harry Rex do?"

288
00:21:45,950 --> 00:21:47,542
What would he do?

289
00:21:47,718 --> 00:21:48,707
Cheat.

290
00:21:49,053 --> 00:21:50,611
Cheat like crazy.

291
00:22:06,737 --> 00:22:08,136
We gotta talk about it.

292
00:22:08,572 --> 00:22:13,066
Wait. The judge said absolutely
not to discuss this case.

293
00:22:13,244 --> 00:22:15,735
The judge ain't stuck here
away from his family.

294
00:22:15,913 --> 00:22:19,815
The sooner we start talking
about it, the sooner it's over.

295
00:22:19,984 --> 00:22:22,817
I want to get out of here
as much as anyone else.

296
00:22:22,887 --> 00:22:24,252
Let's get on with it.

297
00:22:26,490 --> 00:22:27,923
Undecided?

298
00:22:31,161 --> 00:22:32,253
Four.

299
00:22:32,930 --> 00:22:33,988
Guilty?

300
00:22:39,970 --> 00:22:40,664
Seven.

301
00:22:42,006 --> 00:22:42,995
Not guilty?

302
00:22:47,611 --> 00:22:49,511
That nigger's dead.

303
00:23:08,966 --> 00:23:11,025
Folks can't get enough of the trial.

304
00:23:11,802 --> 00:23:16,034
That's why my editor said to come
down and interview Rodeheaver.

305
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,972
Dr. Rodeheaver's in court today.

306
00:23:21,045 --> 00:23:23,138
If you want to be a reporter...

307
00:23:23,314 --> 00:23:26,374
...maybe you should do
some better research?

308
00:23:26,984 --> 00:23:29,817
You know what? I don't mind waiting.

309
00:23:30,321 --> 00:23:35,054
My paper really wants this interview.
Is he still in room 369?

310
00:23:35,225 --> 00:23:37,659
-I'll just go there.
-Wrong again. He's in 128.

311
00:23:38,228 --> 00:23:41,493
But he's gone all day.
You can't see him today.

312
00:23:41,665 --> 00:23:44,725
You want to come back in my office
and schedule an appointment?

313
00:23:45,502 --> 00:23:47,663
I'll come back another time...

314
00:23:47,871 --> 00:23:51,500
...when he's got time to talk,
when things have died down.

315
00:23:51,675 --> 00:23:54,007
-Thank you.
-You can call me any time.

316
00:23:58,515 --> 00:24:02,246
Your Honor, the State
calls Deputy Dwayne Looney.

317
00:24:38,288 --> 00:24:39,778
Good morning.

318
00:24:39,957 --> 00:24:42,790
Would you please state
your name for the record?

319
00:24:43,060 --> 00:24:45,392
Deputy Dwayne Powell Looney.

320
00:24:46,463 --> 00:24:48,055
Thank you, Deputy Looney.

321
00:24:48,565 --> 00:24:53,400
Were you present at the murders of
Billy Ray Cobb and James Lewis Willard?

322
00:24:53,904 --> 00:24:55,394
Yes, sir.

323
00:24:55,572 --> 00:24:57,233
If you can remember...

324
00:24:57,408 --> 00:25:01,071
...describe how you were wounded
for the members of the jury.

325
00:25:01,912 --> 00:25:05,313
I think bullets bounced off the
floor, caught me in the knee.

326
00:25:05,482 --> 00:25:07,416
What happened to your leg?

327
00:25:08,652 --> 00:25:10,085
Doc cut it off.

328
00:25:11,255 --> 00:25:14,247
After the loss of your
right leg, detective...

329
00:25:17,428 --> 00:25:19,760
...are you able to serve as a policeman?

330
00:25:27,604 --> 00:25:31,165
I'm able to perform a number of...
services.

331
00:25:31,341 --> 00:25:33,275
Did you see the gunman?

332
00:25:34,178 --> 00:25:35,167
No, sir.

333
00:25:36,013 --> 00:25:37,173
But Mr. Hailey did...

334
00:25:37,448 --> 00:25:40,781
...personally apologize
for his shooting me.

335
00:25:46,523 --> 00:25:48,184
So Mr. Hailey admitted...

336
00:25:48,625 --> 00:25:49,785
...shooting you.

337
00:25:50,461 --> 00:25:51,450
Yes, sir.

338
00:25:51,628 --> 00:25:53,459
I have no further questions.

339
00:25:54,531 --> 00:25:55,691
No questions.

340
00:25:55,866 --> 00:25:57,197
Wait a minute.

341
00:25:59,470 --> 00:26:01,961
The State would like to call Dr.--

342
00:26:02,139 --> 00:26:03,538
Can I have a moment?

343
00:26:03,707 --> 00:26:04,867
Take your time.

344
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:09,042
Ask if he thinks I should go to jail.

345
00:26:09,213 --> 00:26:12,307
They amputated his leg
because you shot him.

346
00:26:12,483 --> 00:26:14,314
He's the prosecution's witness.

347
00:26:14,485 --> 00:26:15,543
You're my lawyer?

348
00:26:16,987 --> 00:26:18,386
Ask him.

349
00:26:25,162 --> 00:26:26,322
One question.

350
00:26:26,497 --> 00:26:28,829
Make up your mind, Mr. Brigance.

351
00:26:33,570 --> 00:26:34,662
Deputy Looney...

352
00:26:36,173 --> 00:26:38,573
...do you think Carl Lee
shot you intentionally?

353
00:26:39,243 --> 00:26:40,676
No, sir...

354
00:26:41,178 --> 00:26:42,509
...it was an accident.

355
00:26:46,750 --> 00:26:47,910
Ask him.

356
00:26:55,025 --> 00:26:56,925
Should he be punished for shooting you?

357
00:26:58,762 --> 00:26:59,592
No, sir.

358
00:27:00,597 --> 00:27:03,191
I hold no ill will toward the man.

359
00:27:04,535 --> 00:27:05,934
I would have done it.

360
00:27:06,770 --> 00:27:08,704
What do you mean by that?

361
00:27:08,872 --> 00:27:11,363
I don't blame him for what he did.

362
00:27:11,542 --> 00:27:13,271
Those boys raped his girl.

363
00:27:13,610 --> 00:27:17,944
Objection! The witness's opinion
on this matter is irrelevant.

364
00:27:18,115 --> 00:27:19,047
Your Honor...

365
00:27:19,216 --> 00:27:23,880
...l believe Deputy Looney has earned
the right to speak here today.

366
00:27:25,289 --> 00:27:26,551
Overruled.

367
00:27:27,558 --> 00:27:28,957
Continue.

368
00:27:31,962 --> 00:27:33,395
Go ahead, Dwayne.

369
00:27:34,565 --> 00:27:36,294
I got a little girl.

370
00:27:38,569 --> 00:27:41,470
Somebody rapes her, he's a dead dog.

371
00:27:41,638 --> 00:27:43,731
I'll blow him away like Carl Lee did.

372
00:27:43,907 --> 00:27:45,135
Objection!

373
00:27:45,309 --> 00:27:47,470
Should the jury convict Carl Lee Hailey?

374
00:27:47,644 --> 00:27:49,635
Don't answer that question.

375
00:27:49,980 --> 00:27:52,244
He's a hero. You turn him loose.

376
00:27:52,416 --> 00:27:54,441
The jury will disregard--

377
00:27:54,651 --> 00:27:55,913
Turn him loose!

378
00:27:56,253 --> 00:27:58,153
Silence that witness!

379
00:27:58,422 --> 00:28:00,322
Turn him loose!

380
00:28:08,098 --> 00:28:09,998
People can say whatever they
want in this courtroom!

381
00:28:11,602 --> 00:28:12,933
Quiet!

382
00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:18,273
Any more of that nonsense...

383
00:28:18,442 --> 00:28:20,043
...and you're all out of here!

384
00:28:22,613 --> 00:28:24,843
Mr. Buckley, you may begin.

385
00:28:25,449 --> 00:28:27,007
Thank you, Your Honor.

386
00:28:28,118 --> 00:28:32,680
Please state your name and occupation
for the members of the jury.

387
00:28:32,956 --> 00:28:37,120
My name is Dr. Wilbert Rodeheaver,
Chair of Psychiatry...

388
00:28:37,294 --> 00:28:38,784
...at Mississippi State...

389
00:28:38,962 --> 00:28:43,296
...and Director of the Whitfield
Facility for the Criminally lnsane.

390
00:28:44,501 --> 00:28:47,299
Your credentials speak for themselves.

391
00:28:47,704 --> 00:28:52,038
Can you explain, as you do so
eloquently in your book...

392
00:28:52,209 --> 00:28:54,473
...the McNaughton Rule for the jury?

393
00:28:54,645 --> 00:28:55,634
Certainly.

394
00:28:55,812 --> 00:28:57,302
The McNaughton Rule states...

395
00:28:57,481 --> 00:29:01,542
...a person must be unable
to tell right from wrong...

396
00:29:01,718 --> 00:29:05,882
...and/or be unaware of the
consequences of his actions...

397
00:29:06,056 --> 00:29:08,149
...to be termed legally insane.

398
00:29:08,325 --> 00:29:09,519
You examined Mr. Hailey?

399
00:29:10,494 --> 00:29:14,157
Yes, Mr. Hailey and I spoke about
his childhood, his family...

400
00:29:14,331 --> 00:29:16,822
...his experiences during the war.

401
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,661
And the rape of his daughter?

402
00:29:19,002 --> 00:29:23,905
Yes, we spoke at length about the
brutal rape of his daughter Tonya.

403
00:29:24,341 --> 00:29:28,004
What is your diagnosis of
Mr. Hailey's mental condition...

404
00:29:28,245 --> 00:29:32,682
...on the day that he shot Billy
Ray Cobb and James Lewis Willard?

405
00:29:32,783 --> 00:29:37,447
At the time of the murders, his mental
condition was without any defects.

406
00:29:37,621 --> 00:29:39,452
Mr. Hailey was sane.

407
00:29:39,623 --> 00:29:42,217
Wait a minute. The defense contends--

408
00:29:42,392 --> 00:29:45,884
Mr. Brigance has gone to great
effort to prove to this jury...

409
00:29:46,063 --> 00:29:48,463
...that Mr. Hailey is a nutball...

410
00:29:48,965 --> 00:29:50,296
...is a slow coach...

411
00:29:51,068 --> 00:29:51,898
...or...

412
00:29:52,069 --> 00:29:54,629
...what is the clinical definition?

413
00:29:54,805 --> 00:29:56,295
Insane.

414
00:29:58,241 --> 00:30:00,232
-Do you disagree?
-Yes!

415
00:30:00,644 --> 00:30:02,908
Carl Lee Hailey knew what he was doing.

416
00:30:03,647 --> 00:30:06,241
He slaughtered those men in cold blood.

417
00:30:07,150 --> 00:30:08,310
Thank you.

418
00:30:08,485 --> 00:30:10,817
I have no further questions.

419
00:30:12,589 --> 00:30:14,250
Where is Roark?

420
00:30:14,424 --> 00:30:15,914
I don't know.

421
00:30:16,093 --> 00:30:18,425
The cross-examination,
Mr. Brigance?

422
00:30:19,496 --> 00:30:21,987
We would request a recess until--

423
00:30:23,333 --> 00:30:24,322
I must see you.

424
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:28,832
We will not need a recess,
but just a few moments.

425
00:30:37,114 --> 00:30:39,947
When you and Lois Lane are ready....

426
00:30:43,687 --> 00:30:45,518
Just a few questions.

427
00:30:48,859 --> 00:30:50,622
Who do you work for?

428
00:30:50,794 --> 00:30:52,352
The State of Mississippi.

429
00:30:52,529 --> 00:30:54,019
In 11 years of service...

430
00:30:54,197 --> 00:30:57,530
...how many trials did you testify
in that used the insanity defense?

431
00:30:57,701 --> 00:30:59,965
This is my 46th trial.

432
00:31:00,137 --> 00:31:01,695
46th trial.

433
00:31:01,872 --> 00:31:03,134
Of those 46 trials...

434
00:31:03,306 --> 00:31:07,367
...how many times have you testified
the defendant was legally insane?

435
00:31:07,544 --> 00:31:08,476
Objection!

436
00:31:08,645 --> 00:31:10,203
The doctor cannot be asked...

437
00:31:10,380 --> 00:31:14,544
...to recall all of his testimony
at those trials. It's absurd.

438
00:31:14,718 --> 00:31:15,980
Overruled.

439
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:18,378
Thank you.

440
00:31:19,389 --> 00:31:20,879
I can't remember.

441
00:31:21,057 --> 00:31:23,719
Could the reason you
can't remember be...

442
00:31:23,894 --> 00:31:26,829
...that in 1 1 years and 46 trials...

443
00:31:26,997 --> 00:31:30,160
...you never saw a defendant
whom you found insane?

444
00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:32,661
I can't recall at this time.

445
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:36,664
Can you recall testifying
at Dan Baker's trial?

446
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,900
Objection! This has nothing to
do with the proceedings here.

447
00:31:40,076 --> 00:31:41,737
Overruled.

448
00:31:42,846 --> 00:31:44,746
This better be good.

449
00:31:44,915 --> 00:31:46,007
Thank you.

450
00:31:46,750 --> 00:31:48,081
I'll ask again.

451
00:31:48,151 --> 00:31:51,348
Can you recall testifying
at the trial of Dan Baker?

452
00:31:51,521 --> 00:31:56,254
It's a rather brutal double homicide
where you found the defendant sane?

453
00:31:58,361 --> 00:32:01,023
A dissenting psychiatrist
disagreed with you.

454
00:32:01,198 --> 00:32:04,599
And Mr. Baker was found insane
and institutionalized.

455
00:32:04,768 --> 00:32:06,429
Where is he currently?

456
00:32:06,603 --> 00:32:07,695
At Whitfield.

457
00:32:07,871 --> 00:32:09,930
Who is the chief psychiatrist there?

458
00:32:10,106 --> 00:32:10,936
I am.

459
00:32:11,107 --> 00:32:12,540
You are.

460
00:32:13,610 --> 00:32:16,602
Dr. Rodeheaver is the
chief psychiatrist.

461
00:32:17,113 --> 00:32:19,547
Now help me make this clear to the jury.

462
00:32:20,050 --> 00:32:22,951
In 1985, you testified that Dan Baker...

463
00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:24,882
...was legally sane.

464
00:32:25,388 --> 00:32:27,549
The jury disagreed with you.

465
00:32:27,724 --> 00:32:31,125
And Mr. Baker was found not
guilty by reason of insanity.

466
00:32:31,294 --> 00:32:35,890
Since then he has been a patient in your
hospital as a paranoid schizophrenic.

467
00:32:36,066 --> 00:32:37,556
Is that correct?

468
00:32:38,802 --> 00:32:40,793
Do you normally admit patients...

469
00:32:40,971 --> 00:32:44,805
...keep and treat them for 10
years if they are of sound mind?

470
00:32:44,975 --> 00:32:45,805
No.

471
00:32:45,976 --> 00:32:47,910
Then it would be fair to say...

472
00:32:48,478 --> 00:32:52,471
...that you find insane people
sane for the purposes of trial?

473
00:32:52,649 --> 00:32:54,139
Objection! Argumentative!

474
00:32:55,752 --> 00:32:57,583
Withdraw the question.
Nothing further.

475
00:33:04,327 --> 00:33:05,658
Genius, Roark.

476
00:33:25,015 --> 00:33:27,108
How can you get a fair trial?

477
00:33:33,957 --> 00:33:35,288
Get an ambulance!

478
00:33:49,706 --> 00:33:51,537
Heard any news on the guard?

479
00:33:52,876 --> 00:33:55,140
Ozzie says he's probably paralyzed.

480
00:33:59,482 --> 00:34:01,143
Some stranger...

481
00:34:01,718 --> 00:34:03,379
...somebody's husband...

482
00:34:04,220 --> 00:34:05,881
...somebody's son...

483
00:34:06,890 --> 00:34:09,222
...put himself in harm's way...

484
00:34:11,328 --> 00:34:12,317
...for me.

485
00:34:14,164 --> 00:34:15,995
When I saw the blood...

486
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,060
...l got so scared because
I thought it was you.

487
00:34:29,179 --> 00:34:30,840
Do you want me to stay?

488
00:34:34,250 --> 00:34:35,410
Yeah.

489
00:34:37,420 --> 00:34:39,354
I want you to stay.

490
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:44,759
So you better go.

491
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,610
Oh, shit.

492
00:35:19,295 --> 00:35:21,957
Speed limit's 45, not 70, ma'am.

493
00:35:22,799 --> 00:35:25,563
-Have you been drinking?
-No, I just wasn't thinking.

494
00:35:25,602 --> 00:35:27,729
Get out of the car for a minute.

495
00:35:27,904 --> 00:35:30,566
-Is that really necessary?
-Get out of the car.

496
00:35:31,474 --> 00:35:35,308
Isn't it customary to ask
for license and registration?

497
00:35:36,646 --> 00:35:38,238
Be still, bitch!

498
00:35:46,156 --> 00:35:47,646
Get in there!

499
00:36:48,318 --> 00:36:51,048
You can't blame a nigger
for being a nigger...

500
00:36:51,488 --> 00:36:54,389
...no more than you can
blame a dog for being a dog.

501
00:36:56,559 --> 00:36:58,550
But a whore like you...

502
00:36:59,729 --> 00:37:02,823
...co-mingling with mongrels,
betraying your own...

503
00:37:02,999 --> 00:37:05,399
...that makes you worse than a nigger.

504
00:37:05,568 --> 00:37:07,502
I'll tell you what I'll do.

505
00:37:08,571 --> 00:37:11,005
I'll leave you tied up here naked.

506
00:37:12,008 --> 00:37:14,408
First it'll just be
the bugs eating at you.

507
00:37:14,577 --> 00:37:16,340
One day, maybe two.

508
00:37:16,513 --> 00:37:18,413
That sun's going to cook you.

509
00:37:19,182 --> 00:37:20,843
And animals...

510
00:37:22,585 --> 00:37:24,746
...they'll pick up your stink.

511
00:37:27,924 --> 00:37:30,085
They'll come for something to eat.

512
00:37:31,528 --> 00:37:34,361
Carl Lee Hailey should've shot you too.

513
00:37:41,371 --> 00:37:43,202
Come on, boys. Let's go.

514
00:38:32,589 --> 00:38:34,079
It's okay.

515
00:38:49,305 --> 00:38:52,797
Mr. Brigance, you may
call your first witness.

516
00:38:52,976 --> 00:38:57,140
Yes, Your Honor. The defense calls
Dr. Willard Tyrrel Bass.

517
00:39:02,318 --> 00:39:03,580
Have you seen Roark?

518
00:39:03,753 --> 00:39:04,811
Not yet.

519
00:39:09,659 --> 00:39:12,150
Would you explain to the jury...

520
00:39:12,495 --> 00:39:16,261
...the effect his daughter's rape
had on Mr. Hailey's condition?

521
00:39:16,599 --> 00:39:18,931
Tonya's rape caused a relapse...

522
00:39:19,102 --> 00:39:21,161
...a temporary break with reality.

523
00:39:21,838 --> 00:39:24,500
But yesterday, a Dr. Rodeheaver...

524
00:39:25,008 --> 00:39:28,102
...suggested that Mr. Hailey's
act of calculation was...

525
00:39:28,278 --> 00:39:30,007
...the definition of sanity.

526
00:39:30,179 --> 00:39:31,771
That's ridiculous.

527
00:39:31,948 --> 00:39:36,009
Many of the most famous
schizophrenics are calculating.

528
00:39:36,185 --> 00:39:38,176
John Hinckley, for example.

529
00:39:38,354 --> 00:39:39,446
Calculating.

530
00:39:39,622 --> 00:39:41,112
And legally insane.

531
00:39:41,357 --> 00:39:44,349
So, Dr. Bass, how would
you diagnose Mr. Hailey...

532
00:39:44,527 --> 00:39:45,789
...at the time?

533
00:39:45,962 --> 00:39:50,296
Mr. Hailey experienced a recurrence
of a dissociative condition...

534
00:39:50,533 --> 00:39:54,299
...as a result of the trauma
caused by his daughter's rape.

535
00:39:54,704 --> 00:39:58,800
Now, since Mr. Hailey was unaware
of the reality of his actions...

536
00:39:58,975 --> 00:40:00,806
...he couldn't tell right from wrong.

537
00:40:00,977 --> 00:40:04,310
Nor could he understand the
consequences of his actions.

538
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,313
He was, therefore, legally insane.

539
00:40:09,218 --> 00:40:13,882
Couldn't tell right from wrong,
or understand the consequences.

540
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:15,823
Therefore, legally...

541
00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:17,387
...insane.

542
00:40:17,894 --> 00:40:19,555
Thank you, Dr. Bass.

543
00:40:19,729 --> 00:40:21,492
I have no further questions.

544
00:40:28,237 --> 00:40:29,670
Your witness.

545
00:40:31,341 --> 00:40:33,400
I'm sorry, excuse me.

546
00:40:35,011 --> 00:40:35,909
Good morning.

547
00:40:36,412 --> 00:40:37,401
Good morning.

548
00:40:37,580 --> 00:40:38,512
Dr. Bass...

549
00:40:38,681 --> 00:40:42,173
...could you please state for
the record your full name?

550
00:40:42,518 --> 00:40:44,679
Willard Tyrrel Bass.

551
00:40:45,188 --> 00:40:48,021
Tyrrel Bass. That's a very unique name.

552
00:40:48,925 --> 00:40:50,017
Now...

553
00:40:50,193 --> 00:40:51,353
...Doctor...

554
00:40:51,761 --> 00:40:53,922
...ever been convicted of a felony?

555
00:40:54,197 --> 00:40:55,357
Of course not.

556
00:40:55,531 --> 00:40:56,259
You're sure?

557
00:40:57,867 --> 00:41:02,031
As certain of that as you are of
the testimony you've just given?

558
00:41:02,605 --> 00:41:03,697
Of course.

559
00:41:03,873 --> 00:41:06,205
Let me understand this now...

560
00:41:06,376 --> 00:41:08,276
...since you are under oath.

561
00:41:09,278 --> 00:41:13,271
You're telling me, and this jury,
that on October 17th, 1960...

562
00:41:13,449 --> 00:41:16,384
...you weren't convicted
of statutory rape?

563
00:41:16,552 --> 00:41:17,382
Objection!

564
00:41:19,889 --> 00:41:21,379
Dr. Bass is not on trial.

565
00:41:21,557 --> 00:41:24,219
This goes to show the
credibility of the witness.

566
00:41:24,394 --> 00:41:25,383
Overruled.

567
00:41:25,795 --> 00:41:26,727
Continue.

568
00:41:27,296 --> 00:41:29,230
Thank you. Now, Doctor...

569
00:41:31,067 --> 00:41:33,297
...were you convicted of statutory rape?

570
00:41:33,803 --> 00:41:35,634
You got the wrong man.

571
00:41:35,905 --> 00:41:37,133
Really?

572
00:41:37,306 --> 00:41:40,139
I have some interesting
photographs of you...

573
00:41:40,276 --> 00:41:42,141
...with an underage female...

574
00:41:42,311 --> 00:41:45,474
...in a motel by the Dallas
police on September 11th, 1960.

575
00:41:46,482 --> 00:41:51,419
Would you like to look at these images
and see if they refresh your memory?

576
00:41:54,157 --> 00:41:55,488
I didn't think so.

577
00:41:55,658 --> 00:41:59,321
We would like to introduce
into evidence these records...

578
00:41:59,495 --> 00:42:02,589
...showing that on
September 15th, 1960...

579
00:42:02,765 --> 00:42:05,495
...this man, one Tyrrel Bass...

580
00:42:05,668 --> 00:42:06,657
...pled guilty...

581
00:42:07,503 --> 00:42:09,164
...to statutory rape.

582
00:42:09,338 --> 00:42:12,102
Now, Doctor, I'm going to
ask you one last time...

583
00:42:12,275 --> 00:42:16,837
...were you or were you not
convicted of statutory rape?

584
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:18,770
I can explain--

585
00:42:18,948 --> 00:42:20,438
I'm not interested.

586
00:42:20,616 --> 00:42:22,345
Answer the question, yes or no.

587
00:42:24,620 --> 00:42:26,110
Yes, I was.

588
00:42:32,295 --> 00:42:33,853
That's enough.

589
00:42:34,030 --> 00:42:35,793
I have nothing further.

590
00:42:40,136 --> 00:42:42,297
Redirect, Mr. Brigance?

591
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:45,800
None.

592
00:42:45,975 --> 00:42:48,535
Court'll recess one hour for lunch.

593
00:42:48,878 --> 00:42:51,142
You told me he was a credible witness.

594
00:42:51,314 --> 00:42:53,976
I didn't know.
The record was expunged.

595
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:56,380
Buckley really outdid himself.

596
00:42:56,986 --> 00:42:59,216
Lucien, I was counting on you.

597
00:42:59,655 --> 00:43:01,054
You wanted this case.

598
00:43:01,224 --> 00:43:02,213
You got it.

599
00:43:02,391 --> 00:43:06,054
It isn't easy saving the world,
but you stick with it.

600
00:43:06,229 --> 00:43:09,494
You might have a knack for it.
Don't do what I did. Don't quit.

601
00:43:09,665 --> 00:43:12,828
What are you talking about,
"quit"? You're a hero.

602
00:43:13,002 --> 00:43:14,492
Hero, my ass!

603
00:43:14,670 --> 00:43:17,901
Did the world need me beating
cops on that picket line?

604
00:43:18,074 --> 00:43:20,565
I was needed here, in that courtroom.

605
00:43:22,345 --> 00:43:23,505
I let them push me.

606
00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:26,011
I gave them an excuse to kick me out...

607
00:43:26,182 --> 00:43:28,844
...and now I can never
plead a case again.

608
00:43:29,018 --> 00:43:30,417
But you can.

609
00:43:30,586 --> 00:43:32,247
You're an attorney.

610
00:43:32,588 --> 00:43:33,577
Be proud.

611
00:43:33,756 --> 00:43:37,749
Your job is to find justice, no
matter how well she hides from you.

612
00:43:39,762 --> 00:43:41,252
So you go in there...

613
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:42,863
...and do your job.

614
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:45,692
Hurry up.

615
00:43:45,868 --> 00:43:47,267
They'll start without you.

616
00:43:52,775 --> 00:43:54,037
Come with me.

617
00:43:55,711 --> 00:43:57,110
I can't.

618
00:43:58,881 --> 00:44:00,212
I love you...

619
00:44:00,716 --> 00:44:01,944
...but I can't.

620
00:44:02,552 --> 00:44:03,541
You know that.

621
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,210
I'll never go in a courtroom again.

622
00:44:07,223 --> 00:44:08,884
And I can't be you.

623
00:44:10,126 --> 00:44:11,718
Don't be me.

624
00:44:12,461 --> 00:44:13,393
Be better than me.

625
00:44:30,580 --> 00:44:32,241
And how did you feel?

626
00:44:33,416 --> 00:44:35,077
I felt...

627
00:44:38,321 --> 00:44:40,255
I don't know...

628
00:44:41,924 --> 00:44:44,586
It was like I was outside myself...

629
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,591
...watching myself.

630
00:44:47,930 --> 00:44:51,263
All the while I kept
hearing my baby say...

631
00:44:52,335 --> 00:44:54,496
..."l called for you, Daddy.

632
00:44:55,338 --> 00:44:57,602
When them men was hurting me...

633
00:44:57,773 --> 00:45:01,265
...l called for you over and over but...

634
00:45:01,944 --> 00:45:03,844
...you didn't never come."

635
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:12,180
Thank you, Mr. Hailey.

636
00:45:13,356 --> 00:45:15,449
I have no further questions.

637
00:45:17,460 --> 00:45:19,360
You have an emergency call.

638
00:45:28,638 --> 00:45:30,037
Mr. Hailey...

639
00:45:31,641 --> 00:45:36,374
Before you stepped outside yourself to
watch yourself shoot Willard and Cobb...

640
00:45:36,879 --> 00:45:41,316
...were you aware that if convicted
they might be freed in only 10 years?

641
00:45:41,484 --> 00:45:43,384
Yes, I heard people say that.

642
00:45:43,552 --> 00:45:46,544
Should men who kidnap a
child be free in 10 years?

643
00:45:46,722 --> 00:45:47,552
No, sir.

644
00:45:47,723 --> 00:45:50,055
Should men who rape a child be free?

645
00:45:50,226 --> 00:45:51,158
No, sir.

646
00:45:51,394 --> 00:45:53,988
Should men who hang a child be free?

647
00:45:54,163 --> 00:45:54,891
No, sir.

648
00:45:55,064 --> 00:45:57,225
What do you think should
happen to them?

649
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:58,230
Objection!

650
00:45:58,401 --> 00:46:00,494
Do you think they deserve to die?!

651
00:46:00,670 --> 00:46:01,568
Don't answer!

652
00:46:02,238 --> 00:46:05,230
Yes, they deserved to die
and I hope they burn in hell!

653
00:46:21,424 --> 00:46:23,585
I have nothing further.

654
00:46:27,763 --> 00:46:30,357
Summations begin tomorrow.

655
00:46:32,268 --> 00:46:34,099
Court adjourned.

656
00:46:41,877 --> 00:46:43,037
They found Roark.

657
00:47:16,746 --> 00:47:18,145
So...

658
00:47:19,982 --> 00:47:22,576
...l had to do this to
get you to call me Ellen?

659
00:47:24,754 --> 00:47:26,483
I'm so sorry.

660
00:47:26,655 --> 00:47:28,247
This is all my fault.

661
00:47:29,992 --> 00:47:31,926
Don't sweat it, really.

662
00:47:33,596 --> 00:47:36,429
They didn't hurt anything
that won't heal.

663
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:37,657
Nothing.

664
00:47:39,502 --> 00:47:41,094
Besides...

665
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:42,498
...Doctor...

666
00:47:43,773 --> 00:47:46,833
...what's-his-name said
I'll be out in a few days.

667
00:47:47,009 --> 00:47:48,169
I'm fine.

668
00:47:52,114 --> 00:47:53,513
How did we do?

669
00:47:55,451 --> 00:47:57,681
Bass turned out to be a felon.

670
00:47:59,021 --> 00:48:01,285
Carl Lee got trapped on the stand.

671
00:48:05,694 --> 00:48:08,026
People been terrorized, Roark.

672
00:48:08,631 --> 00:48:09,791
Beaten...

673
00:48:12,301 --> 00:48:13,632
...killed.

674
00:48:15,137 --> 00:48:17,037
It's not worth it.

675
00:48:19,542 --> 00:48:23,308
It's only not worth it if Carl
Lee goes to the gas chamber.

676
00:48:26,816 --> 00:48:30,149
Listen, this case is not
over until the summation.

677
00:48:30,319 --> 00:48:31,547
Remember that.

678
00:48:35,224 --> 00:48:38,057
And you've got one big fat chance...

679
00:48:40,062 --> 00:48:41,393
...to reinvent yourself.

680
00:48:42,164 --> 00:48:44,325
To make that jury see...

681
00:48:44,567 --> 00:48:47,559
...this whole case through your eyes.

682
00:48:54,243 --> 00:48:55,676
They're good eyes.

683
00:49:00,916 --> 00:49:03,180
Now, get out of here, go to work.

684
00:49:05,588 --> 00:49:07,078
I'll keep in touch.

685
00:49:07,356 --> 00:49:08,755
No, you won't.

686
00:49:08,924 --> 00:49:10,255
Big liar.

687
00:49:20,202 --> 00:49:22,193
Win or lose, Roark...

688
00:49:24,106 --> 00:49:26,097
...we make one hell of a team.

689
00:49:27,376 --> 00:49:29,105
We might have.

690
00:49:30,446 --> 00:49:32,607
We really might have.

691
00:49:36,952 --> 00:49:39,284
You really want to kiss me right now.

692
00:49:41,290 --> 00:49:43,053
Yes, I do.

693
00:50:05,414 --> 00:50:06,642
Undecided?

694
00:50:09,251 --> 00:50:10,240
Guilty?

695
00:50:49,191 --> 00:50:50,123
Hey, Max.

696
00:50:59,201 --> 00:51:00,463
Where's Hannah?

697
00:51:00,636 --> 00:51:02,695
I left her at my parents'.

698
00:51:04,807 --> 00:51:06,035
How'd you get here?

699
00:51:06,542 --> 00:51:07,702
Drove.

700
00:51:08,711 --> 00:51:09,973
In the storm?

701
00:51:12,381 --> 00:51:15,043
Got something needs
to be said in person.

702
00:51:20,556 --> 00:51:24,048
I've been blaming you
for all that's happened.

703
00:51:27,062 --> 00:51:29,895
But it's not your fault.
You didn't kill those boys.

704
00:51:35,404 --> 00:51:37,395
You were trying to make things right.

705
00:51:39,508 --> 00:51:40,998
I know that now.

706
00:51:47,249 --> 00:51:50,241
I thought you took this case
because you wanted to prove...

707
00:51:50,419 --> 00:51:52,751
...what a big time lawyer you were.

708
00:51:53,756 --> 00:51:55,417
But I was wrong.

709
00:51:59,428 --> 00:52:01,862
You took this case because...

710
00:52:02,364 --> 00:52:04,264
...if those boys...

711
00:52:07,102 --> 00:52:08,933
...had hurt Hannah...

712
00:52:09,538 --> 00:52:11,870
...the way they hurt Tonya...

713
00:52:12,041 --> 00:52:13,941
...you would've killed them too.

714
00:52:21,050 --> 00:52:23,280
Baby. Come here.

715
00:52:24,053 --> 00:52:25,452
Come here.

716
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:30,290
I love you Jake.

717
00:52:32,061 --> 00:52:33,961
I thought I was going to lose you.

718
00:52:59,154 --> 00:53:01,315
We're going to lose this case.

719
00:53:04,326 --> 00:53:08,592
There are no points of law to argue here.
I want to cop a plea.

720
00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:12,590
Maybe Buckley'll cop us a...

721
00:53:12,768 --> 00:53:16,101
...second-degree murder and we
can get you life in prison.

722
00:53:18,607 --> 00:53:21,167
I can't do no life in prison.

723
00:53:21,677 --> 00:53:24,168
Get me out. If it was you on trial--

724
00:53:24,346 --> 00:53:25,438
It's not me.

725
00:53:26,849 --> 00:53:28,339
We're not the same.

726
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,953
The jury has to identify
with the defendant.

727
00:53:34,690 --> 00:53:37,181
They see you, they see a yardworker.
They see me...

728
00:53:37,359 --> 00:53:40,522
...they see an attorney.
You live on the hill.

729
00:53:40,863 --> 00:53:43,297
With you white and I'm black.

730
00:53:46,034 --> 00:53:47,365
See, Jake?

731
00:53:48,303 --> 00:53:50,533
You think just like them.

732
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,369
That's why I picked you.

733
00:53:54,977 --> 00:53:57,537
You're one of them, don't you see?

734
00:53:58,046 --> 00:54:00,446
You think you ain't because
you eat in Claude's...

735
00:54:00,516 --> 00:54:04,816
...and you're on TV talking about
black and white.

736
00:54:05,220 --> 00:54:07,051
But the fact is...

737
00:54:07,322 --> 00:54:09,017
...you're just like them.

738
00:54:10,225 --> 00:54:12,887
When you look at me,
you don't see a man.

739
00:54:13,328 --> 00:54:15,319
You see a black man.

740
00:54:17,499 --> 00:54:19,490
I am your friend.

741
00:54:19,668 --> 00:54:21,397
We ain't no friends.

742
00:54:22,738 --> 00:54:25,229
We're on different sides of the line.

743
00:54:26,074 --> 00:54:30,340
I ain't never seen you in my part of
town. You don't know where I live.

744
00:54:32,014 --> 00:54:33,504
Our daughters...

745
00:54:33,682 --> 00:54:35,172
...won't play together.

746
00:54:35,350 --> 00:54:36,681
What do you mean?

747
00:54:39,755 --> 00:54:41,245
America...

748
00:54:41,423 --> 00:54:42,913
...is a war...

749
00:54:43,258 --> 00:54:45,692
...and you're on the other side.

750
00:54:47,362 --> 00:54:50,354
How a black man ever going
to get a fair trial...

751
00:54:50,532 --> 00:54:53,433
...with the enemy on the
bench and the jury box?

752
00:54:53,602 --> 00:54:55,866
My life in white hands.

753
00:54:57,105 --> 00:54:58,367
You, Jake.

754
00:54:59,074 --> 00:55:00,439
That's how.

755
00:55:01,043 --> 00:55:05,377
You're my secret weapon, because
you're one of the bad guys.

756
00:55:05,881 --> 00:55:08,441
You don't mean to be, but you are.

757
00:55:08,617 --> 00:55:10,448
It's how you's raised.

758
00:55:10,953 --> 00:55:13,547
"Nigger, Negro, black...

759
00:55:13,889 --> 00:55:15,447
...African-American."

760
00:55:15,624 --> 00:55:17,615
No matter how you see me...

761
00:55:17,793 --> 00:55:20,227
...you see me as different.

762
00:55:20,896 --> 00:55:23,797
You see me like that jury sees me.

763
00:55:24,233 --> 00:55:25,962
You are them.

764
00:55:26,802 --> 00:55:29,566
Now, throw out your points of law, Jake.

765
00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:32,129
If you...

766
00:55:32,307 --> 00:55:34,138
...was on that jury...

767
00:55:34,977 --> 00:55:37,810
...what would it take to convince you...

768
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:39,640
...to set me free?

769
00:55:41,984 --> 00:55:44,578
That's how you'll save my ass.

770
00:55:45,487 --> 00:55:47,819
That's how you save us both.

771
00:55:52,361 --> 00:55:55,262
Is Carl Lee Hailey insane?

772
00:55:57,432 --> 00:56:00,026
It's a notion so outrageous...

773
00:56:00,202 --> 00:56:04,536
...the only witness the defense
could produce to support it...

774
00:56:04,706 --> 00:56:06,697
...was a convicted felon.

775
00:56:08,543 --> 00:56:10,033
He is not insane.

776
00:56:10,212 --> 00:56:13,443
This is a man who is
a confessed murderer.

777
00:56:14,716 --> 00:56:17,116
This is a man who admitted...

778
00:56:17,286 --> 00:56:19,117
...on this stand...

779
00:56:19,621 --> 00:56:22,954
...to carrying out the sentence
he believed the alleged rapists...

780
00:56:23,025 --> 00:56:25,118
...of his daughter deserved!

781
00:56:25,294 --> 00:56:27,626
He's taken justice out of your hands!

782
00:56:30,299 --> 00:56:31,732
And put it in his own.

783
00:56:32,401 --> 00:56:33,959
And with those hands...

784
00:56:34,136 --> 00:56:37,071
...he took the lives of two young men!

785
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:43,073
We feel terrible over what
happened to his daughter.

786
00:56:43,912 --> 00:56:45,641
But feeling terrible...

787
00:56:45,814 --> 00:56:49,807
...and knowing something is
wrong does not give any of us...

788
00:56:50,752 --> 00:56:52,310
...a right to kill.

789
00:56:53,922 --> 00:56:56,152
Everyone, your duty is clear.

790
00:56:59,161 --> 00:57:01,493
All in this courtroom know the truth.

791
00:57:02,331 --> 00:57:05,095
All in this state know the truth.

792
00:57:06,335 --> 00:57:08,826
Now you need only find the courage...

793
00:57:09,004 --> 00:57:11,165
...to speak the words:

794
00:57:11,506 --> 00:57:13,667
"Carl Lee Hailey...

795
00:57:13,842 --> 00:57:15,309
...is guilty!"

796
00:57:16,345 --> 00:57:17,437
Guilty!

797
00:57:17,846 --> 00:57:19,006
Guilty!

798
00:57:21,283 --> 00:57:23,444
State rests, Your Honor.

799
00:57:39,468 --> 00:57:42,699
Now, I had a great
summation all worked out...

800
00:57:43,372 --> 00:57:45,636
...full of some sharp lawyering...

801
00:57:47,142 --> 00:57:48,632
...but I'm not doing it.

802
00:57:49,878 --> 00:57:51,709
I'm here to apologize.

803
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,542
I am young, and I am inexperienced.

804
00:57:55,817 --> 00:57:57,148
But you cannot...

805
00:57:57,219 --> 00:58:00,552
...hold Carl Lee Hailey responsible...

806
00:58:01,323 --> 00:58:02,984
...for my shortcomings.

807
00:58:03,992 --> 00:58:05,653
In all this legal maneuvering...

808
00:58:06,895 --> 00:58:08,055
...something got lost.

809
00:58:09,498 --> 00:58:11,557
That something is the truth.

810
00:58:16,004 --> 00:58:18,336
It is incumbent upon us lawyers...

811
00:58:18,507 --> 00:58:20,737
...not to just talk about the truth...

812
00:58:20,909 --> 00:58:22,570
...but to actually seek it...

813
00:58:22,744 --> 00:58:24,507
...to find it, to live it.

814
00:58:26,181 --> 00:58:27,671
My teacher taught me that.

815
00:58:30,085 --> 00:58:32,076
Let's take Dr. Bass, for example.

816
00:58:32,587 --> 00:58:35,920
I would never knowingly put a
convicted felon on the stand.

817
00:58:36,091 --> 00:58:37,683
I hope you believe that.

818
00:58:38,193 --> 00:58:39,592
But what is the truth?

819
00:58:39,761 --> 00:58:42,355
That he's a disgraced liar?

820
00:58:42,864 --> 00:58:44,593
What if I told you...

821
00:58:44,866 --> 00:58:48,131
...the woman he was accused of
raping was 17, he was 23...

822
00:58:48,203 --> 00:58:49,693
...that she became his wife...

823
00:58:49,771 --> 00:58:51,602
...bore his child...

824
00:58:51,873 --> 00:58:53,704
...and is still married to him?

825
00:58:53,775 --> 00:58:57,609
Does that make his
testimony more or less true?

826
00:59:01,783 --> 00:59:03,717
What in us seeks truth?

827
00:59:05,053 --> 00:59:05,781
Our minds...

828
00:59:07,722 --> 00:59:09,280
...or is it our hearts?

829
00:59:13,128 --> 00:59:16,564
I tried to prove blacks could
get a fair trial in the South...

830
00:59:16,731 --> 00:59:19,894
...that we are all equal
in the eyes of the law.

831
00:59:21,636 --> 00:59:23,228
That's not the truth.

832
00:59:23,405 --> 00:59:25,737
The eyes of the law are human eyes...

833
00:59:25,907 --> 00:59:29,741
...yours and mine, and until we
can see each other as equals...

834
00:59:29,911 --> 00:59:32,402
...justice is never
going to be evenhanded.

835
00:59:32,581 --> 00:59:36,244
It will only be a reflection
of our own prejudices.

836
00:59:36,585 --> 00:59:38,576
So until that day...

837
00:59:39,087 --> 00:59:42,420
...we have a duty under
God to seek the truth...

838
00:59:44,159 --> 00:59:46,093
...not with our minds...

839
00:59:46,261 --> 00:59:49,594
...where fear and hate turn
commonality into prejudice...

840
00:59:50,265 --> 00:59:51,823
...but with our hearts...

841
00:59:52,767 --> 00:59:54,598
...but we don't know better.

842
00:59:59,441 --> 01:00:01,272
I want to tell you a story.

843
01:00:03,612 --> 01:00:05,512
Please close your eyes...

844
01:00:07,849 --> 01:00:09,339
...while I tell it.

845
01:00:13,622 --> 01:00:16,614
I want you to listen to me.
I want you to listen to yourselves.

846
01:00:21,530 --> 01:00:22,519
Go ahead.

847
01:00:22,697 --> 01:00:24,289
Close your eyes, please.

848
01:00:29,638 --> 01:00:31,868
This is a story about a little girl...

849
01:00:33,375 --> 01:00:37,209
...walking home from the grocery
store one sunny afternoon.

850
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,641
I want you to picture this girl.

851
01:00:43,885 --> 01:00:46,046
Suddenly a truck races up.

852
01:00:48,056 --> 01:00:49,819
Two men grab her.

853
01:00:52,327 --> 01:00:54,727
They drag her into a nearby field...

854
01:00:58,233 --> 01:00:59,825
...and they tie her up...

855
01:01:03,672 --> 01:01:05,663
...then rip off her clothes.

856
01:01:08,510 --> 01:01:09,568
They climb on.

857
01:01:11,580 --> 01:01:13,343
First one, then the other...

858
01:01:15,850 --> 01:01:17,010
...raping her...

859
01:01:21,856 --> 01:01:24,518
...shattering everything
innocent and pure...

860
01:01:24,693 --> 01:01:26,422
...with a vicious thrust...

861
01:01:27,596 --> 01:01:30,258
...in a fog of drunken breath and sweat.

862
01:01:34,936 --> 01:01:36,597
And when they're done...

863
01:01:38,106 --> 01:01:39,596
...after they've...

864
01:01:39,774 --> 01:01:41,366
...killed her tiny womb...

865
01:01:43,445 --> 01:01:46,209
...murdered any chance for
her to bear children...

866
01:01:46,781 --> 01:01:48,214
...to have life...

867
01:01:48,383 --> 01:01:49,611
...beyond her own...

868
01:01:53,455 --> 01:01:55,218
...they use her for target practice.

869
01:01:57,959 --> 01:02:00,723
So they start throwing
full beer cans at her.

870
01:02:03,064 --> 01:02:05,055
They throw them so hard...

871
01:02:05,967 --> 01:02:09,733
...that it tears the flesh
all the way to her bones.

872
01:02:15,910 --> 01:02:17,571
Then they urinate on her.

873
01:02:22,250 --> 01:02:23,649
Now comes the hanging.

874
01:02:28,657 --> 01:02:29,988
They have a rope.

875
01:02:31,593 --> 01:02:33,254
They tie a noose.

876
01:02:34,829 --> 01:02:37,821
Imagine the noose coiling
tight around her neck...

877
01:02:38,833 --> 01:02:41,097
...and a sudden blinding jerk.

878
01:02:42,504 --> 01:02:45,268
She's pulled into the air
and her feet go kicking....

879
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,340
They don't find the ground.

880
01:02:49,444 --> 01:02:51,173
The hanging branch...

881
01:02:51,613 --> 01:02:53,513
...isn't strong enough.

882
01:02:55,016 --> 01:02:57,280
It snaps and she falls...

883
01:02:58,119 --> 01:02:59,518
...back to earth.

884
01:03:03,358 --> 01:03:04,950
So they pick her up...

885
01:03:06,528 --> 01:03:08,462
...throw her in the back...

886
01:03:10,699 --> 01:03:13,293
...drive to Foggy Creek Bridge...

887
01:03:14,869 --> 01:03:16,200
...pitch her over.

888
01:03:19,207 --> 01:03:21,641
And she drops some 30 feet...

889
01:03:22,143 --> 01:03:24,202
...down to the creek bottom.

890
01:03:31,820 --> 01:03:33,219
Can you see her?

891
01:03:37,492 --> 01:03:38,891
Her raped...

892
01:03:39,227 --> 01:03:40,489
...beaten...

893
01:03:41,396 --> 01:03:42,988
...broken body...

894
01:03:46,401 --> 01:03:48,494
...soaked in their urine...

895
01:03:49,404 --> 01:03:51,395
...soaked in their semen...

896
01:03:53,742 --> 01:03:55,505
...soaked in her blood...

897
01:03:56,578 --> 01:03:58,170
...left to die.

898
01:04:01,516 --> 01:04:02,847
Can you see her?

899
01:04:07,255 --> 01:04:09,189
I want you to picture...

900
01:04:11,359 --> 01:04:12,849
...that little girl....

901
01:04:32,113 --> 01:04:34,047
Now, imagine she's white.

902
01:04:56,137 --> 01:04:57,968
The defense rests.

903
01:05:28,336 --> 01:05:29,166
Innocent!

904
01:05:29,571 --> 01:05:32,165
Innocent! He's innocent!

905
01:05:35,910 --> 01:05:36,842
Innocent?!

906
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,089
We won! We won!

907
01:05:54,262 --> 01:05:56,924
Ellen, we won! Aren't you happy?!

908
01:05:57,098 --> 01:05:59,931
My God, Ellen, you have to be happy!

909
01:06:04,038 --> 01:06:05,869
He's coming home.

910
01:06:08,209 --> 01:06:09,767
That was...

911
01:06:10,712 --> 01:06:12,043
That was...

912
01:06:13,615 --> 01:06:16,049
I'm one of the bad guys, remember?

913
01:06:31,900 --> 01:06:33,458
Freddie Lee Cobb!

914
01:06:36,738 --> 01:06:38,729
We got something to talk about.

915
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:42,971
Hastings, you belong
over there with them.

916
01:06:44,913 --> 01:06:45,641
Get over.

917
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,421
Congratulations, counselor.

918
01:07:00,662 --> 01:07:01,822
Thank you.

919
01:08:17,071 --> 01:08:18,163
Look.

920
01:08:45,099 --> 01:08:46,259
Hello.

921
01:08:47,702 --> 01:08:50,364
This is Ms. Hailey. This is Hannah.

922
01:08:51,272 --> 01:08:53,035
She's so pretty.

923
01:08:53,541 --> 01:08:55,372
Brought you some peach cobbler.

924
01:08:56,377 --> 01:08:58,277
Come on in. Come in.

925
01:09:12,694 --> 01:09:14,127
This is my daughter, Tonya.

926
01:09:14,295 --> 01:09:15,785
Nice to meet you.

927
01:09:20,635 --> 01:09:22,670
Just thought our kids
could play together.

928
01:09:22,670 --> 01:09:22,897
Just thought our kids
could play together.

